There's a local Democratic Party mailing list that I still subscribe to, even though I'm not a Democrat or a voter. Sometimes they have interesting events that I could consider attending, and I know some of the people on the list and enjoy reading what they're saying. I don't contribute to the list very often and have occasionally been put under moderation for my comments. Anyway this is a conversation that just took place. I'll delete the names of the other commenters:
[Name deleted] of course is right. The U.S. gives Israel more than $7 million per day of our tax money... more than we give to any other country. Obama can tell Congress that if they don't permit the significant tax increases that are desperately needed, he will block all aid to Israel--- which he can do by declaring openly what the whole world already knows: that Israel has nuclear weapons and that these weapons are outside the purview of the International Atomic Energy Agency. Under the Kefauver Act this would make Israel ineligible for US aid.
That $49 million every week that would be saved by not supporting Israel, a nation rightfully despised around the world, could allow the federal government to repair and rebuild the decaying infrastructure in America's major cities, putting hundreds of thousands of unemployed citizens back to meaningful work! But of course we all know he wouldn't dream of doing such a thing! American Zionist money and power are far too important to the Democratic Party to dream of taking such a risk.
As someone who lost a childhood pen pal to bombs from Palestinian terrorists attacking innocent school children in Israel, I find this racist rant deeply offensive. While there have been excesses on both sides, to suggest we throw Israel—a nation founded by Holocaust survivors including family members of mine who survived concentration camps—to the wolves and certain destruction by the Arab nations if the US, Israel’s only strong ally yanked all funding, is deeply offensive. I find it very troubling to hear so-called progressives turn their backs on the children of holocaust survivors this way. The very term “American Zionists” implies there is something wrong with supporting Israel’s right to exist and have one place on earth where Jews can live in peace.
There are many Arab countries. Why don’t they help their Palestinian brethren? They would rather keep this a festering sore in hopes that someday they can drive Israel into the sea, apparently with the full blessing of people like [Person A].
What racist rant, [Person B]? I lost members of my family in the Holocaust, and I have a brother living in an illegal settlement in occupied Palestine, and I saw nothing racist.
Is it racist to mention how much money the US gives Israel?
Is it racist to mention that Israel has nuclear weapons (and tried to sell some to the Apartheid regime in South Africa, which it continued to support after every other country in the world had stopped)?
There's nothing wrong with supporting Israel's right to exist, as long as it becomes a democratic state where both Jews and Palestinians can live in peace as they do here in the U.S. To support Israel as a Jewish state is no different than supporting the US as a Christian nation where non-Christians such as Hindus, Muslims, and Jews would not have equal rights. Many right-wingers would like that. That's racist. Sterotyping all Palestinians or all Arabs as terrorists is also racist.
Many Arab countries have tried to help their Palestinian brethren, only to find themselves attacked or bought off by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.
When our own heroes marched for Civil Rights in the US, were they trying to drive all non-blacks into the sea? Israel, like the US, was founded on stolen land. The excuse in both cases was the same as the excuse used by Nazi Germany: the search for Lebensraum.
If somebody is homeless and has been seriously abused, does that give them the right to take over your home and to imprison or kill you to ensure that you don't try to get it back? I was homeless for many years and I never tried to steal anyone else's home.
I no longer believe that Zionists can be Jewish. Hillel said that the essence of Torah is not to treat your neighbors in ways that you yourself would find hateful. In order to stray from Torah, Zionists have defined the word "neighbor" to mean "a Jew who lives near you." I live in the USA and I have many neighbors, including some from Asia, Africa, South and Central America, and they are ALL my neighbors. It would be racist for me to say that only those with the same skin color or religious beliefs that I have, are really neighbors and that the rest aren't entitled to equal rights. A Jew isn't just somebody with a Jewish mother, but also somebody who follows Torah. By treating their Palestinian neighbors in hateful ways, Zionist Israelis have proven that they do not follow Torah and are therefore not really Jewish.
Yes, there are terrorists who would like to kill us. Right here in the USA. And there are terrorists who would like to kill us here just because they're angry, not because of race, religion, or any other factor. There are evil criminals in this world. More than 90% of them, like Anders Breivik, are non-Muslim, yet the US and Israel focus only on Muslims. That's racist. If a white Christian blows up a building and kills a lot of innocent children (Oklahoma), shouldn't all white Christians be put into concentration camps so that children can live in peace? I'm sure you can recognize that would be racist. If a Jew commits an act of violence, shouldn't all Jews be put into concentration camps so that non-Jews can live in peace? I'm sure you can recognize that would be racist. Why don't you consider Palestinians to be equally human and equally entitled to human rights? Is there any explanation other than racism?
As long as you support a government, a political party, and a President guilty of the crime against humanity of drone bombing innocent children in six different countries every day, you are complicit in terrorism yourself and have no moral right to call other people terrorists.
Thank you Mark for the passionate humanity of your comment. As a fellow Jewish American I too loathe the racist state of Israel.
Standard and Poor's downgrading of the US economy is less important than for us to acknowledge that with a large, far right-wing contingent in the US Congress that won't permit raising taxes, and with the government spending at least half of US taxpayer monies on hundred-million-dollar-a-day wars of aggression, and with an enormous unemployment problem, the US economy is in dreadful shape. Nor is there anything on the horizon that looks like it will come to the rescue.
I thereby humbly suggest that Democratic Clubs around the country coordinate a master plan to put so much pressure on the Obama regime that the fellow is forced to actually end all the malignant wars and bring our troops home from Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya (our bombers and billions of dollars), Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia. How about full-page ads in the NY Times and Washington Post from the "Real Democratic Party" (Democratic Clubs around the nation) excoriating Obama for his criminal foreign policy and refusing to raise a single penny for the President's forthcoming election campaign until he ends (not vaguely promises to end) our illegal, immoral, murderous wars that are creating new enemies of the US daily around the entire globe while, at the same time, destroying the Americn economy.
Do liberal and self-described "progressive" Democrats have the courage to stand up and save vast numbers of human lives, America's soul (what little remains of it), and our economy? My guess is, the answer is a resounding NO!
I hadn't really expected my comment to be posted. Last year a separate mailing list was opened for discussion of issues regarding Israel and Palestine, so as not to offend people on the primary mailing list. So I expected that my comment would be returned to me with instructions to post it to the other list. This may be a momentary lapse, or it may represent potential progress.
If there are further responses, I'll try to post them.